tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4804495231681736404.post757008292733812736..comments2011-02-05T17:14:38.430-08:00Comments on Pastor Celia's Leanings: Sermon Scraps: the not-so-left-overs, continuedPastor Celiahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05843567995933637219noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4804495231681736404.post-12421377403338036462010-12-01T05:51:39.961-08:002010-12-01T05:51:39.961-08:00At Amanda, you're right. We give lip-service (...At Amanda, you're right. We give lip-service (at best) to the humanness of Jesus. I think that after 2000 years, we still really uncomfortable with the idea of the Divine Creator suffering at our hands. As much as we claim that we understand the foolishness of the cross, it makes us uncomfortable -- the one who was from the beginning, who called forth light out of darkness, the one who was revealed to Moses as a burning bush, this one, also suffered a horrible, ignoble, and seemingly weak death. If God can be arrested and murdered at our hands, how powerful can God really be, moreover, if this is true, then who is in charge? It makes us uncomfortable.Pastor Celiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05843567995933637219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4804495231681736404.post-53883344919158610712010-11-28T08:40:49.424-08:002010-11-28T08:40:49.424-08:00I've always believed in the human-ness of Chri...I've always believed in the human-ness of Christ. I have never been able to understand why so many people seem to feel threatened by the idea that Jesus (while divine, the Son of God) was a PERSON. He pooped. He ate (probably not in that order). Experiences He encountered made Him happy and made Him sad. He walked on His legs, He spoke with His mouth and He worked with His hands. He belonged to a family. He was an infant. He was raised by parents. People taught Him things and then He taught others. He felt the same base urges and temptations we all feel. I like your concept of Maryology. My understanding that Jesus had to face, suffer, and overcome all the things any human must face, suffer, and TRY to overcome only serves to embolden my awe at His choice to allow Himself to be sacrificed so that the rest of us could be saved. Thank you for taking the time to make us think about this stuff. I've learned a great deal reading your blogs (including several new words, boy do I love words)!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17097757235689100353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4804495231681736404.post-47779182116502573552010-11-18T21:00:09.940-08:002010-11-18T21:00:09.940-08:00Kenne, there is no evidence of Jesus' disease ...Kenne, there is no evidence of Jesus' disease -- good point. I was using those elements as examples of our human experience. Head aches are common, as are toothaches. And no they are not a result of our sin. They are the result of biological factors (bacteria growth, sinus pressure, stress, etc.). The point is that Jesus lived a human life -- a common human life. <br />As for DNA, I would shy away from getting specific. I'm reminded of a program I saw a few years ago on the History Channel about Mary. The person being interviewed said that Mary could have been a virgin and conceived if she had been a hermaphrodite. I thought, Wow, what kind of question do you have to ask to get that answer. This is one of those areas where we have to recognize that the kerygma of Christ does not always hold up to post-enlightenment critique. <br />In my comments, I was referring to the personhood of Jesus. I wouldn't feel comfortable getting anymore specific. Our understanding of this kerygma is changing. For instance, in the UM Hymnal, the Apostles' Creeds says, "I believe in Jesus Christ, His only Son our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit . . ." but in the Book of Common Prayer says, "I believe in Jesus Christ, His only Son our Lord, who was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit . . ." <br />I'm not sure I've fully answered your questions, but I appreciate them, nonetheless. You've caused me to reexamine the Chalcedonians. I could spend a lifetime studying the Council of Chalcedon and not really understand it. So thank you for the challenge.Pastor Celiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05843567995933637219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4804495231681736404.post-72992787120048268922010-11-18T19:41:02.113-08:002010-11-18T19:41:02.113-08:00Celia, This blog is very stimulating. What is th...Celia, This blog is very stimulating. What is the evidence for Christ being dis-eased?(headaches, toothaches, etc.)...as I try to answer my own question. Are toothaches the result of our sin? ie. not caring for/loving the temple of the holy spirit? Or trauma...at the hands of other's sin. Probably yes and no...genetic, developmental conditions. Is His DNA purely the Holy Spirit's or is there a mixture of Mary's genes?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03107346802640572967noreply@blogger.com